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« on: April 22, 2009, 01:43:14 PM »

1.) "Hate Crimes" Bill Will Criminalize Free Speech - I just took action on this issue and thought you might find it interesting too. On Wednesday, April 22 the House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to mark up and pass HR 1913 -- the “Hate Crimes” bill. This bill wants to criminalize speech that insults politically-fashionable minorities, such as gays. Even if it means sacrificing religious freedom to do it.
This info comes from HumanEvents.com - To contact your reps:

This is what I put in the "Comments' section of that email:

H.R. 1913 is a threat to freedom of speech and religion and must be

I both ask for and EXPECT your total OPPOSITION to this bill when it
comes to the floor for a vote.

It is the most horrible, open-ended abortion of the First Amendment that I
have ever seen - and it is SURE to be both ABUSED and MISUSED by those
seeking to squelch opposition to their Parties platforms and agenda's.

You can NOT in good conscience or as a
Constitution-believing/supporting-CITIZEN support this bill.

Thank you.

I'll be watching.

Hit this one and hit it QUICK!

Forward it to EVERYONE in your address books. Pete

"When fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 08:05:08 AM »

This bill passed the House and is now on its' way to the Senate.


" How Will New Hate Crimes Bill Affect Your Free Speech?
by  Gary Bauer


"This week, the House of Representatives passed The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HR 1913), which adds gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, and disability to the list of protected categories under federal hate crimes law."


"There are many problems with this legislation, not least that if it becomes law it would federalize law enforcement by allowing the federal government to intervene in local criminal matters when a crime is deemed to be motivated by hatred of this or that disadvantaged group."


"House Democrats rejected 10 Republican amendments to the bill, including provisions that would have added senior citizens, pregnant women, unborn children and members of the military, to the list of protected groups.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) introduced an amendment that would have barred pedophiles from special protection under the statute, but Democrats took it out of the final bill."

"By punishing thoughts instead of actions, hate crimes laws, or “bias-motivated crimes” as they are sometimes called, raise several questions:  For instance, how will the federal government determine causation?  What if, say, a homosexual were attacked by someone who believes homosexuality is a sin, but the attacker wasn’t motivated by the victim’s homosexuality but by something else entirely?  What if the homosexual is attacked by someone from his or her protected class?

In the notorious case of Matthew Shepard, for whom HR 1913 is named, a probable drug-related killing was assumed to be a hate crime because Shepard was gay.  Only later was it revealed that the perpetrators were motivated primarily by drugs and robbery, not by Shepard’s sexual orientation. Correlation does not imply causation."

Read the rest of that article at the link given.

I guess one of the things that bothers me about this bill is the recurring question that keeps coming to mind - what - or who -  will be the next "protected" group?

Sociopaths? Multiple offenders? Radical Islamists? Left-handed people?

It's the precedent of adding arbitrarily-chosen groups for "special" protection that bothers me.

That, and this (this is the exact wording of the bill as passed by the House off the Thomas website):

"      (b) Certification Requirement- No prosecution of any offense described in this subsection may be undertaken by the United States, except under the certification in writing of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, or any Assistant Attorney General specially designated by the Attorney General that--

            `(1) such certifying individual has reasonable cause to believe that the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person was a motivating factor underlying the alleged conduct of the defendant; and

            `(2) such certifying individual has consulted with State or local law enforcement officials regarding the prosecution and determined that--

                  `(A) the State does not have jurisdiction or does not intend to exercise jurisdiction;

                  `(B) the State has requested that the Federal Government assume jurisdiction;

                  `© the State does not object to the Federal Government assuming jurisdiction; or

                  `(D) the verdict or sentence obtained pursuant to State charges left demonstratively unvindicated the Federal interest in eradicating bias-motivated violence. "

Folks, "reasonable" cause is not the same as "probable" cause (probable cause requires a much higher evidentiary  standard - see http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/m013006.pdf ).

The above quote clearly reflects the fact that this "law' would

(1) supercede individual State law-makers/enforcers desires to not prosecute a given case (see 2A, above) and

(2) allow the Federal Government to arbitrarily jump in and add additional sentence-time to anything that had already been decided by a jury and a regular judge whose job it already is to hand down a correct sentence.

You NEED to contact BOTH of your State Senator's and oppose passage of this bill.. Pete

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 10:24:30 AM »


"Congress Approves Law Extending Hate Crime Protections to Gays
To assure its passage after years of frustrated efforts, Democratic supporters attached the measure to a must-pass $680 billion defense policy bill the Senate approved 68-29.

Senate Democrats used a must-pass military spending bill to push through a controversial measure Thursday extending hate-crime protection to gays.

The bill, known as the Matthew Shepard Act, named for the gay Wyoming college student murdered 11 years ago, was opposed by conservatives because of language they said targets clergy and others who oppose homosexuality on religious grounds and who might express those beliefs publicly.

"The inclusion of the controversial language of the hate crimes legislation, which is unrelated to our national defense, is deeply troubling," said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said the bill was a "dangerous step" toward thought crimes. He asked whether the bill would "serve as a warning to people not to speak out too loudly about their religious views."

But Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., said "nothing in this legislation diminishes an American's freedom of religion, freedom of speech or press or the freedom to assemble. Let me be clear. The Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act targets acts, not speech."

To assure its passage after years of frustrated efforts, Democratic supporters attached the measure to a must-pass $680 billion defense policy bill the Senate approved 68-29. The House passed the defense bill earlier this month.

Hate crimes law enacted after the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., in 1968 centered on crimes based on race, color, religion or national origin.

The expansion has long been sought by civil rights and gay rights groups. Conservatives have opposed it, arguing that it creates a special class of victims.

Some 45 states have hate crimes statutes, and the bill would not change current practices where hate crimes are generally investigated and prosecuted by state and local officials.

But it does broaden the narrow range of actions — such as attending school or voting — that can trigger federal involvement and allows the federal government to step in if the Justice Department certifies that a state is unwilling or unable to follow through on an alleged hate crime.

The measure also provides federal grants to help state and local governments prosecute hate crimes and funds programs to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles.

"As we learned in the civil rights era, sometimes communities need assistance and resources from the federal government when they have to confront the most emotional and dangerous kinds of crimes," said Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo.

The bill also creates a federal crime to penalize attacks against U.S. service members on account of their service.

Attorney General Eric Holder said nearly 80,000 hate crime incidents have been reported to the FBI since he first testified before Congress in support of a hate crimes bill 11 years ago. "It has been one of my highest personal priorities to ensure that this legislation finally becomes law," he said.

The FBI says more than half of reported hate crimes are motivated by racial bias. Next most frequent are crimes based on religious bias, at around 18 percent, and sexual orientation, at 16 percent.

Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, said the measure was "part of a radical social agenda that could ultimately silence Christians and use the force of government to marginalize anyone whose faith is at odds with homosexuality." "


There ya' go - the "method-of-choice" used once again to pass legislation that otherwise would have never had a chance of passing on its' own - inclusion into another "must pass" bill.


"When fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis
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