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« on: May 14, 2011, 06:16:35 AM »

As I'm sure you appreciate, when folk visit the 'help' areas of ASAP members to 'fix' infected computers, they are invited to download all manner of 'tools' with which to 'cure' their machine. How can these folk be sure that nothing untoward remains in their machine when said machine has eventually been deemed to be clean?

Does your organisation (ASAP) have any 'check' facility to make sure that all of your members are 'good guys' and not actually installing malware surreptitiously on a users computer?"

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 09:12:55 AM »

Hi, Dave.  

I split your post to a topic of its own to separate it from the ASAP membership applications.

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How can these folk be sure that nothing untoward remains in their machine when said machine has eventually been deemed to be clean?


If you want to guarantee that "nothing untoward" remains on your computer, the best action is a reformat.  In fact, depending on the nature of the infection, analysts will recommend that severely infected computers be formatted.  

The analysts are volunteering their time to provide free assistance.  If you don't wish to avail yourself of their help, there are tech shops that will gladly take your money to clean your computer.  Most likely, they will back up your data and do a fresh install of the operating system.

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Does your organisation (ASAP) have any 'check' facility to make sure that all of your members are 'good guys' and not actually installing malware surreptitiously on a users computer?"


Yes.  Note, however, that there are members of ASAP who provide assistance other than with malware removal.  See the ASAP Charter:  http://asap.maddoktor2.com/charter.html
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2011, 10:21:45 AM »

not knowing if this is a troll or not.....

first thing is your post is still here and open for replies, if we were black hats would we want to put doubt in a poster's mind?

look how long this site has been up

read the requirements to join and be a hjt helper!

most started off working on win98 cleaning and was a bit easier back then

ASAP is well known around the anti-malware  community, do a bit of googeling
and then do some homework on the programs that are recommended !!!!!!!

you will see that the experts did not write them, just use them

HJT program was around before a lot5 of users were even on the net

the other specialty programs were written because the crapware  is a lot more sophisticated now  now !

so spend some time on your favorite search engine and if you have a question post it!

yep do feel a bit offended by your post !!!! if we were bad guys your post would be history
and if we were bad guys is there any answer you would believe, so google first

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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 12:38:52 PM »


Hi!

I did do some 'Googling' ......... and found this:-

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://66.39.69.143/forums.html

As far as I can tell, neither AumHa nor Computer Haven are members of ASAP.

Notwithstanding that, do you feel that they are trustworthy sites from which to obtain help and advice?

I have no wish to cause upset here - I'm just after the truth!  Wink

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 02:48:31 PM »


Hi!

I did do some 'Googling' ......... and found this:-

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://66.39.69.143/forums.html

As far as I can tell, neither AumHa nor Computer Haven are members of ASAP.

Notwithstanding that, do you feel that they are trustworthy sites from which to obtain help and advice?

I have no wish to cause upset here - I'm just after the truth!  Wink

Dave

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Look here: http://aumha.net/
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 04:52:30 PM »

Hi, Dave.

I'm a bit confused as to the Google cache of a very outdated page from 2008.  After all, a lot has happened since Windows Vista and IE7.  That said, no one is discounting or bad-mouthing other sites.  Sites and individuals have applied for ASAP membership and been denied because they did not fit the Charter for one reason or another. 

Neither AumHa nor Computer Haven have applied to ASAP.  Thus, they are not members.  However, as to trustworthy help, I'm not familiar with Computer Haven but at AumHa, I know Robear Dyer and, although his specialty is not malware removal and I don't have any idea if he has access to the various venues other members of the security community have, I'm certain he would provide very careful advice.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm not sure what the "truth" is that you are after.  Are there sites that provide good help that are not members of ASAP?  Of course.  Are there sites with untrained people providing questionable malware removal advice?  Absolutely.  Nothing is perfect in this world.  We do what we can to help others and that is all we can do.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 03:40:27 PM »


Hi, Dave.

I'm a bit confused as to the Google cache of a very outdated page from 2008.  After all, a lot has happened since Windows Vista and IE7.  That said, no one is discounting or bad-mouthing other sites.  Sites and individuals have applied for ASAP membership and been denied because they did not fit the Charter for one reason or another. 


Me too. Nobody seems to be looking after the site any more, but it's a goldmine of information.  Sad

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Neither AumHa nor Computer Haven have applied to ASAP.  Thus, they are not members.  However, as to trustworthy help, I'm not familiar with Computer Haven but at AumHa, I know Robear Dyer and, although his specialty is not malware removal and I don't have any idea if he has access to the various venues other members of the security community have, I'm certain he would provide very careful advice.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm not sure what the "truth" is that you are after.  Are there sites that provide good help that are not members of ASAP?  Of course.  Are there sites with untrained people providing questionable malware removal advice?  Absolutely.  Nothing is perfect in this world.  We do what we can to help others and that is all we can do.


Thanks for your response, Corrine.

I think you'll find that Robear Dyer has become a specialist in malware removal. Browse through some threads at Aumha to see for yourself!

The owner of the site, James Eshelman does not appear to have been properly recognised for his efforts. There's no mention of AumHa or computing on his Wikipedia page.

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James A. Eshelman,  Proprietor & Webmaster  MVP

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Welcome! In July 1999, I began this site as a small collection of articles gathered from my newsgroup posts and OnComputers “Geek Speak” radio broadcasts. With help and encouragement of friends and colleagues, acceptance of the technical press, and the frequent visitation of computer users around the world, it grew, in about a year and a half, to become one of the most widely cited and referenced Windows web sites in the world outside of www.microsoft.com itself.

(This isn’t bragging — it’s numb-brained humility in the face of it all.) Please make yourselves at home and enjoy the site!

I’ve spent most of my life as a writer in one or another capacity, and practiced law for 14 years (ten of those in private practice). Presently I work in IT for Warner Music Group, and do occasional consulting for the Los Angeles Coalition to End Hunger & Homelessness. Microsoft has been kind enough to strengthen my résumé by gifting me with its annual Most Valuable Professional award every year since 1999.

— Jim Eshelman, Webmaster

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Ref:  http://www.aumha.org/jae.htm


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Our official purpose: To provide quality support information for users of Microsoft operating systems and leading Microsoft application software. Our secret agenda: To help individuals become stronger in their own lives, by encouraging community wherein those who need help can ask, those who have help to give will offer it, and these roles reverse from time to time.

What does “aumha” mean? The name of this domain consists of the two Sanskrit words, aum ha, the first and last letters of the (devanagari) Sanskrit alphabet — thus equivalent to the Greek “Alpha and Omega,“ the beginning and end and, implicitly, the eternity that passes between.

The first, aum, most often written in English as Om, is a sacred syllable representing the course of breath and the life-cycle — creation, preservation, destruction — “a symbol both of the Personal God and of the Absolute” (Swami Vivekananda). It is “at once an invocation, a benediction, an affirmation, and a promise” (G.A. Barborka). Ha is an expulsion of breath and a word for the Sun.

As a pun, it is also the Hebrew word for “behold,” etc. One translation of the phrase aum ha, therefore, might be, “Alpha & Omega, The Sempiternal Sun.” As you can see, this has nothing at all to do with computers (or, possibly, has everything to do with computers). It is a mantra that, for about 25 years, has had deep personal meaning for me.

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Ref:  http://aumha.org/about.htm


Whatever!

Here is the Wikipedia page about him  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Eshelman

There is no mention of the tremendous work Mr Eshelman has done to help folk with computer problems 

How best can Wikipedia be amended to give the credit where it is due?

Any suggestions?  huh

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2011, 05:15:06 PM »

I guess the bottom line is that I'm not sure what the "truth" is that you are after.
The truth is that OP is deliberately trying to place ASAP and it's members in a bad spotlight.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2011, 05:20:39 PM »

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The truth is that OP is deliberately trying to place ASAP and it's members in a bad spotlight.
I think the original question was prior to realizing that the people and sites being mentioned are not ASAP members/sites and have not requested membership.  So, I expect an non-issue.

Thank you for the compliment. Smiley

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How best can Wikipedia be amended to give the credit where it is due?

Any suggestions?
Considering the personal information that is posted in the Wikipedia article, I suspect that Jim submitted the article.  I suggest that you take the matter up with Jim as it is completely inappropriate for discussion here.
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