Also installs Ad Intelligence??? what installs Ad Intelligence? that site? what has that page got to do with anything?
msgpluszone.com:184.108.40.206 (Support forum for msgplus)
msgpluszone is NOT the official support forum for Messenger Plus!
What really links them also is the ending of the EULA
That EULA is the one from the optional sponsor that comes with messenger plus. That is NOT the EULA from messenger plus!
wrn.net is the lop.com site for affiliate members.
Why do you think it is called "a SPONSOR agreement"? And isn't a sponsor an affiliation?
So anyone who installs msgplus will get lopped!
If you mean "if anyone who installs the OPTIONAL sponsor that comes with msgplus will get lopped", then yes. HOWEVER, you can very easly opt out of the sponsor install and NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING, not a single bit!, will get installed that has ANYTHING to do with Lop. You don't believe me? Did you ever tried it and tested it out with decent file and registry monitors?
and they claimed the sponsor program was easily avoidable
Yes it is, see previous reply and also see:
second option. Check that and be amazed that you still can install Plus! without the sponsor...
Still they get hundreds of complaints a week according to Patchou, which he ignores of course
* "Hundreds a week"? In true numbers that is more like 1,5 complaints a week on average (yes I keep statistics). Also note that that means 1,5 out of thousands who install it each week (with and without the sponsor)!
* "according to Patchou"? Where did he say that? Again something you completely made up.
* "which he ignores"? If you even took 5 secs to read the threads with these complaints you will see that they are NEVER ignored!
since he has a stickied guide somewhere on the forum that everyone is expected to know about before they install the program
No, they are not expected to know about it. What is expected is that you read the title "Sponsor agreement" (and not "msgplus eula"!) and the EULA of the sponsor which is very clear that it is about adware and that, if you don't agree, click on "I REFUSE"...
Patchou is basically making his money from the less technical users who never bother to read eulas
Did YOU ever conducted a real survey of who installs the sponsor and if they did it by "accident" or not? Well, I did, and I can tell you that the less technical user is exactly the one that READS the EULA. It is the people who think to know what it is who skip it in 1 second and don't read it. And you only know what an EULA exactly is when you have somewhat experience with installing stuff I would imagine, but apparently not....
1. msplus is using the lop.com servers which means lop has control over them since lop holds the purse strings.
Lop has no control what-so-ever over msgplus! Note that it is the other way around. Patchou has a stripped down package of Lop in his msgplus program. Again, did you ever tried to verify what the package really contained? So, you don't know what the sponsor in Plus! exactly does. All you know is the word "Lop" and with what it is associated (which is, I granted, not much good). But newsflash to you, they do have different packages to offer and they are even willing to strip down the smallest package even further. Of course this comes with a pricetag, the money generate by this heavly stripped down package is very low. Yes, that's called bussiness.
3. Since I can show Shamash as starting out in warez and porn, would you buy something from them or from a reputable source.
Shamash has NOTHING to do with msgplus and vice versa! The Lop sponsor package comes from Lop, the msgplus program comes from Patchou, which clearly seperates both things. But, if you don't trust it, that's your right, then don't install the sponsor. Or even don't install msgplus. But keep your facts strait...
It is up to the consumer whether they want to take the chance on the security of their personal informaion and privacy
There is NO personal information collected and/or send at all. Again, this shows that you don't know what the sponsor really does...
It is the new users I want to warn so they can then make their choice.
Well, warn them. But warn them with strait facts:
* msgplus does come with a sponsor program
* this sponsor program is adware and comes from Lop
* if you don't want to install it, then you can opt out on the sponsor agreement screen.
* you can still install msgplus without the sponsor and absolutely nothing will get installed from the sponsor (heck, the sponsor package isn't even extracted from the setup)
* if you accidently installed the sponsor, you can easly remove it by uninstall msgplus.
Messneger3 update is even worse it trashes your explorer
Msgplus doesn't do anything with Windows Explorer, nor with the Internet Explorer.
Is this a genuine Microsoft update or have they been infiltrated. It is pure garbage.
Msgplus has nothing todo with Microsoft, other then that it runs on a Windows platform.
If you decide not to take the option of the 'sponsor program' then Messenger Plus won't install.
Absolutely not true. Click the "I refuse" option and you will see that you still can install msgplus.
Remember that now the creater of the software is listed as a partner in their secure software inc. in Florida state corp database which means Lop owns them lock stock and barreel and can do what they want..
again, Lop owns jack ****. Patchou can do whatever he wants, if he decides to dish Lop and switch to another company, then he has all the right to do so. Edited out Foul Language. Please watch what you put in your post.